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     No.193[Reply]

    我太好奇了:

    >天彻底变黑了,天上出现一盏亮光,而我却难以分辨这到底是月亮还是太阳,光线发绿,而且不停的左右晃动,这时候我才半清醒过来,才想起我是在鳌太穿越,不远处洁白的雪壁可能就是万仙阵…

    >…
    >慢慢的,月亮慢慢的消失不见了,我也开始彻底清醒过来
    >https://archive.ph/ftQEQ#selection-703.284-703.370

    这一段我先放这儿。


     No.167[Reply]

    Sometimes I imagine myself finally can be a noble soldier and end my life in an random army. Especially in my most sentimental time I was really in the mode of a sentimental-soldier.

    I own a gun, and my gun is always ready to fire the bullets out. I live for myself and forced to be involved in one war after another. Stay away from all irony and choose a final time to rush into the fields.

    Heroic anarchy.
    Courage, Love and Glory.
    Sovereignty.
    Fire.

    Then it's time to write real poems.

    >What doesn't kill me makes me stronger; and what kills me makes me incredibly strong.


    &

    > I'm Shiva etc.


     No.188[Reply]

    >Space which is arithmetically organised produces sound. Here we have an example of how one can look into the Akashic Record. If one can rise to the perception of the inner arithmetic which is preserved from sound in space, then at any time one can hear again a sound which someone has spoken.
    >The Foundations of Esotericism, GA 93a, Lecture V: https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA093a/English/RSP1982/19050930p01.html
    >
    >Then he enters into a world of sound, into the harmony of the universe, the music of the spheres. The spiritual world is a world of sound. He who has developed his higher Self to the level of the higher worlds, must become at home in this spiritual world.
    >Nature and Spirit Beings, Their Effects in Our Visible World, GA 98, IV. The Mysteries, a Christmas and Easter Poem by Goethe: https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA098/English/SOL2023/098-04_1907-12-25.html

    I think no more than 3 months I can understand this more personally, not merely in a spiritual way - in my mind, but physically. Spiritual physically. It's unbelievable Steiner was able to say something like this: Space which is arithmetically organised produces sound, this is so profound and completely beyond his time, and his contemporaries…


     No.187[Reply]

    I guess this https://wn.rudolfsteinerelib.org/Lectures/MG1442_index.html
    essay could be the final document that leads me to Christianity. Such an unbelievable profoundly written essay…
    >The highest Spirit of the Earth had to incarnate in a physical body; this body had to die, it had to be killed and its blood had to flow. A special meaning is attached to this. Wherever there is blood, there is Self. The Self rooted in the blood had to be sacrificed in order that the old communities based on Self might come to an end. All individual forms of egoism flow away with the blued of the Crucified Christ.


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     No.98[Reply]

    Maȟpíya Lúta, Takumi Akaishi etc. Listening to these music is no longer part of my daily life, so it's often some new discovery.
    11 posts and 5 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

     No.168

    Nihonjin 1973 of Far Out.
    I think I've owned a CD several years ago. Miss them so much.

     No.182

    File: 1748761830552-0.jpg (99.58 KB, 377x510,sad-legend.jpg)

    File: 1748761830552-1.jpg (9.85 KB, 300x293,Cover.jpg)

    An album from a South Korean metal band that makes me to be instantly drenched in endless memories and sad images.
    A blend of 新月 Shingetsu + 美狂乱 Bi Kyo Ran, so it's very much has a similar sense - non musically speaking - with japanese progressive / psychedelic, but its ultimate specialness comes from their unpolished use of synthesizer technology. Most raw feelings.
    https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sad_Legend/7468
    Recommendation: 3. An Echo Of Bizarre Screams

     No.183

    File: 1748762199413.webm (3.21 MB, 1407x1373,03. An Echo Of Bizarre Screams.webm)


     No.184

    >>183
    I don't know how this feeling comes to me, that, if Les Rallizes Denudes pushed their music to the extremest, they won't be very noisy, but they'd become another Sad Legend - again, vibeologically, not musically, since really only this sad legend didn't care about music technologies, their synthesizer's usage is laughable.

     No.186

    File: 1750061975541.webm (5.97 MB, 1080x1080,快 [ukpf3kPqGDg].webm)

    >我已经决定大声地死去
    >突然还活着
    >我大声地死去
    >突然还活着



     No.185[Reply]

    A written poem starts to make sense when, after a very long time, you re-engage with it and find that you can gain knowledge from it without any prior knowledge. I think those poems actually lack beauty or rhythm due to excessive compression. They're more like short essays than poems.
    These days some motherfuckers old acquaintances annoyed me then I re-assessed some documents made during that period.


     No.180[Reply]

    I find the vichan search is broken, so I cannot find a former post about Mozart that I remember. I will post it here.
    Quoted from Johann Hinrich Claussen's Gottes Klänge: Eine Geschichte der Kirchenmusik,
    >Manche schildern ihn als einen hässlichen Menschen: «Er hatte Blatternnarben im Gesicht, seine Haut wurde gelblich und gedunsen, gegen Ende seines Lebens bildete sich ein Doppelkinn. Der Kopf war zu groß für den Körper, die Nase war überdimensioniert» (Wolfgang Hildesheimer). Hinzu kam ein verstörendes Verhalten. Natürlich kann man es von heute aus nicht mehr diagnostizieren und gegenwärtig übliche Begriffe wie «Borderline», «bipolare Störung» oder «ADHS» auf es anwenden. Aber schon auf Zeitgenossen wirkte es ungesund. Ein Beispiel unter tausend: Eine Wiener Schriftstellerin erzählt, wie sie bei einer Gesellschaft am Klavier saß, als Mozart dazukam, zunächst die Melodie mitbrummte, dann den Takt auf ihrer Schulter schlug, sich einen Stuhl dazustellte, die Oberstimme übernahm und zu variieren begann – aber schließlich «ward ihm das Ding zuwider, er fuhr auf und begann in seiner närrischen Laune, wie er es öfters machte, über Tisch und Sessel zu springen, wie eine Katze zu miauen und wie ein ausgelassener Junge Purzelbäume zu schlagen».
    Translation:
    >Some describe him as an ugly man: “He had pale scars on his face, his skin became yellowish and puffy, and towards the end of his life he developed a double chin. His head was too big for his body, his nose was oversized” (Wolfgang Hildesheimer). In addition, his behavior was disturbing. Of course, it can no longer be diagnosed today and common terms such as “borderline”, “bipolar disorder” or “ADHD” can no longer be applied to it. But it already had an unhealthy effect on contemporaries. One example among a thousand: a Viennese writer recounts how she was sitting at the piano at a party when Mozart joined in, first humming along to the melody, then hitting the beat on her shoulder, pulling up a chair, taking over the upper voice and beginning to vary - but eventually “the thing became repugnant to him, he got up and in his foolish mood began, as he often did, to jump over the table and armchair, meowing like a cat and somersaulting like a boisterous boy”.

     No.181

    His music is so unnatural, I never think his music is natural - including those piano concertos- and I don’t connect his music with the quality “noble”. It’s the same when talk about Hölderlin, it’s cringe to say, Hölderlin is “noble”, also, Mozart’s Requiem sounds “noble”, NO, It never appeared in my mind.
    Mozart is on another realm.
    And I don't think anyone would say God is noble. (I'm not saying Mozart is a God)



     No.179[Reply]

    I wanted to compile a list of autodidact thinkers and scientists - who did not receive a good or higher education for various reasons in their early years.


     No.178[Reply]

    >It cannot be admitted that the
    >speculative type of mind is on the same level as the intuitive; it is stunted
    >and impoverished. The intuitive mind is not concerned with individuals
    >alone, it does not seek the character of necessity in the empirical. But
    >when it applies itself to Nature, perception and idea coalesce into unity.
    >Both are seen to exist within each other and are perceived as one Whole.
    >The intuitive mind may rise to the most universal truths, to the highest
    >abstractions, but direct, actual life will always be evident in its world of
    >thought. Goethe’s thinking was of this nature.
    >Rudolf Steiner


     No.172[Reply]

    >Dear Frau Patzelt, 29 November 1935
    >I have read a few books by Rudolf Steiner and must confess that I have found nothing in them that is of the slightest use to me.
    >You must understand that I am a researcher and not a prophet.
    >What matters to me is what can be verified by experience.
    >But I am not interested at all in what can be speculated about without any proof.
    >All the ideas that Steiner advances in his books you can also read in the Indian sources.
    >Anything I cannot demonstrate in the realm of human experience I let alone and if someone should assert that he knows more about it I ask him to furnish me with the necessary proofs.
    >I have read a few books on anthroposophy and a fair number on theosophy.
    >I have also got to know very many anthroposophists and theosophists and have always discovered to my regret that these people imagine all sorts of things and assert all sorts of things for. Which they are quite incapable of offering any proof.
    >I have no prejudices against the greatest marvels if someone gives me the necessary proofs, Nor shall I hesitate to stand up for the truth If I know it can be proved.
    >But I shall guard against adding to the number of those who use unproven assertions to erect a world system no stone of which rests on the surface of this earth.
    >So long as Steiner is or was not able to understand the Hittite inscriptions yet understood the language of Atlantis which nobody knows existed, there is no reason to get excited about anything that Herr Steiner has said.
    >
    >Yours very truly,
    >
    Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

     No.173

    >>172
    I like how Jung talks repeatedly about being scientific and being an empiricist but he himself doesn't understand statistics at all and is really bad at doing empirical science. Both Steiner and Jung are fantasy-driven and neither of them is a scientist, and not philosopher either.
    Jung is more grounded since he read a lot of ancient sources while Steiner was exclusively interested in fringe stuff that has academic value converging to zero. But when it comes to writing and imagination Steiner is much better than Jung. No wonder many of his "concepts" became standard in fantasy game settings. For example Akashic records = the Elder Scroll.
    When reading Steiner one needs to salvage good stuff from bad stuff, extract the essence of ideas from that hot mix of Atlantis and Akashic records etc. But I've noticed that people are more interested in Atlantis and Akashic records than the essences. I think here Jung is committing the same error by focus on these superficial stuff than the essential core of Steiner's ideas.

     No.174

    >>173
    A thing that occurred to me very often is why psychiatric patient cases can be considered as "proofs"[1] while the experience descriptions of individuals with spiritual/Prophetical visioning functions, like Swedenborg or Steiner, are often dismissed as insignificant mystical tricks. [2]
    If scientists dismiss those experiences as "unverifiable" and therefore refuse to consider them as proofs, then those group experiments conducted by cognitive scientists are even less capable of being truly verified.
    Clearly Jung himself is a clairvoyant and he was very cautious in dealing with his own mystical experiences, which deeply moved me at times. Yet he also did not regard those experiences as scientific proofs. I believe Jung could answer the why, he understood them more deeply than any clairvoyants else. I even suspect he did this on purpose, so his conclusions will not be ruled out by a future science. I think Jung is even more successful than Goethe who only exerts his influence in science in a more subtle way.
    Jung is like Kant they laugh at Steiner and Swedenborg like a real philosopher. Strangely I find accusations against Steiner completely incomprehensible, as Steiner was indeed very knowledgeable about Science and art. If Steiner were alive today I guess he would likely be interested in string theory and QM stuffs in an non-shallow way. But another thing is I've noticed that Steiner fans tend to be like very obsessed with cognitive scientists and physicists, they understand no decent mathematics, so appeared very dumb like art students. They have a strong need to know all the conclusions of string theory to provide them with sort of validation and facts [3]. But it's a strage thing for me that if Steiner fans care only about facts, they could already know this from a very tinny way, they don't need to collect high theories' conclusions this much.

    I find it difficult to interested in the "new religion" of Steiner el al.'s fans or modern cognition science watever. Only Steiner's philosophical writings are valuable to me for I haven't drawn any conclusions about his anthroposophical writings, much like with some of Teilhard's. I sometimes wonder whether anthroposophy has any real positive effect on fools (even who has real spiritual visioning functions, there're really many) as many anthroposophy fans clearly end up abandoning thinking and readingPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

     No.175

    >>174
    Steiner's pedagogy approaches try to turn Ni/spiritual into a teachable thing, and to some extent this's consistent with Schelling's identity philosophy. It likes this:
    - If manifest knowledge (science, mathematics, philosophy, music etc.) is teachable, then why is Ni etc. not teachable?

    He may think clairvoyance can be developed through training (or he hope so) so spritual-less normies could be saved, and maybe one day it will be really possible. (although I am very skeptical about this)
    If think this way - I actually think this way very much these days - I don't even think his founding of the Waldorf school is cringe.

     No.176

    >>173
    >Steiner was exclusively interested in fringe stuff that has academic value converging to zero
    It's highly possible that only his Goethe study has academic values, I'm not sure, but it's true that no modern academic researchers interested in his ideas or want to explore within.

     No.177

    >>174
    Statistics and probability is very hard and average scientist doesn't understand them at all even if they are working in CERN. Moreover in most cases statistics shouldn't even be utilized, we can see how statistics can give plausible but utterly false patterns simply by reflecting on the behaviors of LLM.
    >I even suspect he did this on purpose, so his conclusions will not be ruled out by a future science.
    Yes he did it on purpose, but only in words. He had literally no interest in empirical science and knew nothing about the proper way to do statistics but he still used it. When he really tries to be scientific in the modern sense he is laughable. But you don't need to be a scientist in the modern sense to be a scientist.
    >he would likely be interested in string theory and QM stuffs in an non-shallow way
    I'd rather say he won't be interested in string theory. He will try to learn it, but as soon as he know how the theory is constructed he'll abandon it immediately. I think his interests would be somehow similar to Cormac McCarthy as it is shown by his the Kekule Problem: foundations of mathematics, unconscious, origin of language, etc.
    >he was in hospital after his "death" why he saw an indian sage over the sky
    Strange. Why focus on the religion being Hindu or not.
    He saw a Hindu sat to the right of the entrace to a small antechamber. He entered a Hindu temple. Next the feeling he had was the feeling that he was finally identified with the Self, or the Atman.
    Next, a king of Kos came to him to summon him back. Kos is the birth place of Hippocrates who is the primal physician. This is Greek.
    Then he was brought back but was in an ecstasy for weeks. Now he was in the garden of pomegranates. Then he took part in, or was, the Marriage of the Lamb. This is Abrahamic.

    > If manifest knowledge (science, mathematics, philosophy, music etc.) is teachable, then why is Ni etc. not teachable?

    Actually I think it is a very delusional thinking that this can be teachable. How is seeing teachable to someone blind? How is life experienced itself teachable?



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