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     No.241[Reply]

    1. Scelsi: Œuvres pour chœur et orchestre - Jürg Wyttenbach
    2. W. A. Mozart: Requiem in D Minor, K. 626 - Jordi Savall
    3. Bach: Morimur - Poppen
    4. Jean Philippe Rameau: Complete Works for Harpsichord - Michel Kiener
    5. Anton Bruckner: Symphony No. 7 - Karl Böhm (April 5, 1997)

     No.242

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    6. Josquin Desprez: In memoria mea - Rebecca Stewart
    7. Denis Dufour: Avalanche - François-Michel Rignol
    8. Mozart: 8 Piano Sonatas; Rondos, Fantasia in D Minor etc. - Marc-André Hamelin
    9. Mozart: Piano Concertos No. 5 & Church Sonata No. 17 - Robert Levin
    10. La Sanie des siecles - Panegyrique de la degenerescence - Peste Noire

    Ranked in no particular order! I eliminate Beethoven and Haydn, for if include their compositions' releases it would make it too many.


     No.231[Reply]

    Their most popular album has the purple color with a low saturation degree, seems to be a vague image of landscape, and the names of the tracks were like this:
    1. wind
    2. fire
    3. earth
    4. water
    …
    A highly technical band. I lost and deleted many old online accounts so really cannot recollect it.

     No.239

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    Finally find it!!!
    https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=8157
    Not a Krautband at all, I was wrong, it's a British prog. I think I've almost forgot their "Alchemy"
    Oh my good memories.

     No.240

    >>239
    Listened Alchemy sounds really like shit WTF I think I didn't listen to their Alchemy at that time, can't remember clearly at all


     No.209[Reply]

    1. I don't like to judge you guys in person, but I really don't need to know your guys' dirty reason of starting to learn philosophy or Linux ("LeArN" Linux??? No…), like sexual-addiction or gender cognitive anxiety. Yes I have essential aversion to these topics, and I also completely feel that I am offended if you actively want to talk about these your "private interests" with me.
    2. Think carefully about why it's so hard for you to study devoutly and continuously, and why it's also so hard to just fucking insist on doing something meaningful, and why you guys rely so much on buying unnecessary physical books to deceive yourself into thinking that you might learn better through these. Why there's recurrently depravity exist in your lives.
    3. I have known your single motivation to try to use certain philosophies in order to seek fucking benefits and comforts for your own lives. This is not a thing you need to show off to me. OKAY…
    4. Read a book like "The Little Typer" if you want to learn programming, don't just start from SICP etc. or even something like HTML handbook whatever okay. Please don't use any Github learning resources they're useless. Just don't use Github.
    5. The bottom badges are called a webring, these ain't my side-project websites.

    Please don't feel that you (a random who) are being targeted, this is also a manifestation of your arrogance. There really are a bunch of art-students I've known during my pre-historic Internet lifetimes, these're just common features of all of them.
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     No.221

    >>220
    I'm completely lost! Why does this response feel like it was generated by me - but also by YOU? And it almost seems like another version of me - which is really you - is responding to me! Am I fading away, or am I just being born? Maybe we're both you, maybe you're both me. Noooooo that's not true at all…. What's happening now?! I can't even find my left and right hands anymore - YOUR hands! I'm both on the x-axis and y-axis, but I'm not—wait, am I? or are you! You're both on the x-axis and y-axis… Noooo I AM on the x-axis YOU on the y-axis… Wait… the coordinates should be fixed, but they're pulling in different directions. HELP!!! Axis moves it dragged me to the y-axis. Where are you?

     No.224

    >>221
    Confusion will be my epitaph
    As I crawl, a cracked and broken path
    And if we make it, we can all sit back and laugh
    But I fear tomorrow I'll be crying

     No.230

    >>224
    Hey "Pity SinField", when the lyrics are so straightforward it becomes poetic-less. Don't you think so?
    I've never been interested in KC's music, the only remarkable progressive rock band for me was Far Out. That was timeless.

     No.232

    >>230
    I like the Islands album. I don't consider the band as a prog rock band, it is so much more. Far Out isn't a prog band at all, at least I won't say it is. If you like this sort of music there's a plethora of similar music made in the 80s in East Asia. There are Korean and Japanese bands making simlar music.
    It is not a good comparison, while Far Out is a very bluesy and psych oriented band influenced by, say, Jimi Hendrix and more (I've forgotten most of the band names, Ash Ra Temple, Flower Travelin Band, etc.). King Crimson is not bluesy at all and their music is much more structured and tight. I have lost interest in psych music for a long time since I now can literally improvise for hours what they put in their albums.
    BTW there's a strange phenomena that I don't understand: whenever a band is a Japanese band there seems to be an unreasonable amount of praise. I have witnessed this unreasonable and bizarre favour towards "made in Japan" for long, I'm not sure what exactly is happening.

    I love the lyrics of Islands and Formentera Lady. The lyrics of Cadence and Cascades is also superior. Sinfield is in my opinion is a great lyricist. And I don't think his lyrics is straightforwad, maybe except for the first album.
    He's a symbolist. I can't even think of a poet that has the same mastery of imaginary than him. But at the same time his technique, the sentential flow, structural arrangement, etc. is at best mediocre, but the same is true of most poets.

     No.233

    >>232
    Sometimes I'm quite bewildered by the fact that prog people overlook some power/speed metal bands like Helloween. Maybe out of snobbery which is absurd since prog isn't something highbrow either. The song Keeper of the Seven Keys just blows most of the prog bands out of the water. Be it the composition or the imagination. Of course there's certain vibe absent in these metal bands, the counterculture of the 60s and 70s, that "eastern" "asiatic" vibe, that so-called "Indian" vibe. During the time of Hendrix of Cage people really were crazy about these quite idiotic and moreover "oriental studies" elements, and they were crazy about Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. Now it mostly seems like a bad joke to me especially after I've studies these new religious movements for year.


     No.225[Reply]

    Why not? I'm almost crying.
    >从我进入光明的那一天开始——由于一个偶然的巧合，现在我不想进入了——我带着我自己
    >的善和我自己的恶。
    >意思是：我的快乐和我的悲伤，还在酝酿之中。二者都随着我在时间的道路上前进。我对快
    >乐的感受越强烈，我对悲伤的理解就越深刻。你不能压制一个而不压制另一个。
    >现在我已经砸碎了门，揭露了斯芬克斯（Sphinx）的谜语，快乐和悲伤只是生活沉醉其中
    >的两种烈酒。因此，说生活是一片肮脏可怕的沙漠，在那里，花朵不再绽放，朱红的果实不再
    >成熟，这是错误的。
    >即使是最强烈的悲伤，那种驱使一个坚强的人有意识地、悲剧性地粉碎自己个性的悲伤，也
    >只是艺术和美的有力表现。
    >它再次回到普遍的人类潮流中，带着犯罪的耀眼光芒，驱散并扫除了许多人的封闭世界的所
    >有现实的结晶，以便上升到最终的理想火焰，并在新的无尽的火焰中消散。
    >Renzo Novatore

     No.227

    Then you just confused Why anarchy posers think they don't need to read Renzo Novatore for one more time.

     No.228

    >>227
    They don't need to reread Lautreamont or Rimbaud. They don't know their sadness is a sublime flame which should be remembered and kept, and be purified.
    Melancholy is nothing but a satirical mirror of happiness.

     No.229

    >>225
    >自由人对悲伤的反抗只是对更强烈和更大的快乐的亲密而热情的渴望。但是最大的快乐只能
    >在最深的悲伤的镜子里向他显现，然后在一个巨大的，野蛮的拥抱中与之融合。从这广阔而成
    >功的拥抱中，强者的微笑涌现而出，因为在冲突中，他为生命唱出了雷鸣般的赞歌。
    >一首由蔑视和轻蔑，由意志和力量编织的赞美诗。一首在阳光照耀下震动和悸动的赞美诗，
    >当它照耀在坟墓上时，这首赞美诗使虚无的东西复苏，并使它充满了声音。


     No.222[Reply]

    Definition of simple mind:
    1. you only want to find yourself like a Leo-constellation user. You just don't want to transcendence. You just want to live without any stress and finally go to die without any regret. You don't know what is called a passion. (except when you were falling love with a random who)
    2. For knowledge, you think you don't need to learn literally EVERYTHING to understand this world. (High art and music, philosophy, mathematics, theoretical computer science, etc.) Even you're a dumb specialised PhD you're most likely a one-sided simple-mind which is factually dumb and spiritualless.
    3. There was one thing like - someone told you there's a operating system called Linux and they repeatly want to support you to use that OS, BUT after a very long time, YOU completely lost interest and you just fucking use your luxury big-button "APPs" on Windows or even MacOS. You love to make yourself "comfortable" and effortless when using any beyond your knowledge technology, so this makes you fucking use MacOS like forever.
    4. (For art students) When you first time heard about Gilles Deleuze you thought that you seemed intertest in "Philosophy" but after a few days you just wanted to utilized his ideas in a very shallow way to do your damn courseworks then you forgot about everything which means you continue your eat-shit-fuck software lifecycle like a NPC.

    Any of the above points appearing in a simple-mind user will more or less lead to unsolvable nihilism or depression. They really ARE in a slave-morality mode in the sense of Nietzsche's philosophy. Instead of saying fuckoff on my normal days, now I want to ask, How you can do? Because if you're a simple-mind user you literally love comfy life you don't want to being bullied by those unnameable things which make you feel like you're outside a black box (any system) and thus you're HOPELESS.

    1. Allow yourself only do very basic social work and be sincere about it. Don't think that being absent-minded at work, waiting to cook your own dinner after work, and then looking at your iPhone or MacOS will change anything for you. You won't be an "anarchy" when doing like this, OKAY? You're not responsible for everything you're not "liberated".
    2. Don't travel, improve your real life situation and always keep your room tidy. You're just fooling yourself think you fucking love nature. Nope you're just spending your money and watch a Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

     No.223

    I easily feel ridiculous and sad when I see all my old "friends" accepting their degenerate lives. They simply hated me for speaking too much "truth" and criticizing too much. They hated me seeing their slothness.
    Human beings care about harmony. Stupid and meaningless harmony.


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     No.214[Reply]


    Composer
    Jón Leifs

    Conductor
    Jordi Savall

    Label
    Auvidis-Montaigne

    Performer
    The Hilliard Ensemble

    Instrument
    Harpsichord

    Philosopher
    F. W. J. Schelling

    Poet
    Stefan George

    Mystic
    Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

     No.215

    >>214
    No I think for OST I still wanted to give it to "The Lord of the Rings Trilogy", I listened this LoTR OST very intensively during Summer. They're not comparable. I was totally moved by this OST. Any Japanese anime OST sounds like a product of utter nihilistic.


     No.201[Reply]

    I gave another try to read his Philosophy and Religion, absolutely logically clear. If you haven't read any philosophy and have some training in cs or logic, you can read Schelling first. His philosophy language is artistic and his philosophy is spatial structured, harsh speeches reveal his uneasy and stressful INTP personality, but it's completely as elegant as Telemann's "Du aber Daniel, gehe hin" song.
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     No.206

    >>203
    I am not yet an expert in Jungian analysis, so maybe there was a misunderstanding. Basically it was after reading some "Von der Weltseele" that I got the feeling that he is an INTP. Combining observations of his private life - participatations in archaeological activities and Schlegel's magazine - a better way to explain it is that some of his qualities (compared with other philosophers), are something what INTPs yearn for very much.

     No.207

    >>206
    That's MBTI and has little to do with Jung's own theory which is rather crude and was just used as an early attempt to find the right categories of personality analysis, but anyway.
    I see no point in connecting what you've said with INTP and all kinds of personality types can do whatever they want, they just do these things in different manners, and this "manner" is something hard to really give any definite description.
    It is absolutely incomprehensible that someone can type him as INTP. It never even occured to me. A person's first function is NOT what characterizes the external appearnace of a person. Often the most obvious trait that someone exhibits, especially when this person is an introvert, or when they write, is their third function.
    For example many so-called mystics of the perennial school are actually people possessing Ni as their third. There are many ISFPs in the perennial school, and many so-called artists with mystical leaning - especially those attracted by theosophy - are plainly Ni-tert. These people often think they are very Ni-driven but they very often cannot distinguish between what is truly archetypal and what is a mimic, though they refuse to admit the fact. A plethora of people obsessed with theosophy and "mystical" teachings, who cannot make the distinction between Schelling and arbitrary third-rate theosophy, are Ni-tert.
    Many outwardly "logical" person do not operate "logically" in their own person. Schelling doesn't, Wittgenstein doesn't. Their intuition precedes their thought, but the way they express and try to come to term with their intuition is "logical". These two should both be Ti-tert. Schelling was logical but his writings are not clear and he doesn't want to be clear since it is in the dynamism and the complex net of thoughts that his vision emerges. His work is not an exhibition of clear thought but more of his insights, and what made him a logical philosophe is the way he honed his thoughts, and how his insights are organized into a powerful contrapuntal complex. There is also a tendency in people that regards Deleuze as Ti-dom which is absolutely nonsense.
    Ti-dom are very different, they often do not have a "philosophical temperament"; you rarely see a philosopher that is Ti-dom but who also has a magnificent temperament, if there is any. Maybe Thomas Aquinas was a Ti-dom since he unlike, say, Schelling,Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

     No.208

    >>207
    Nah, the last sentence was also quite a strech. Ti is neither consistency nor precision, but "internal consistency and inference". It is a theory-making function, but it doesn't provide the content of the theory that is produced. So someone who has Ti in their first three function tend to first give a hypothesis that can explain everything in a phenomenon that they observe, out of the need of consistency and sense making. Ti is sometimes quite delusional since they rarely really care to know about what actually is the case. Ti-dom/tert/secondary make hypotheses that make sense, and if these hypothese make sense they tend to believe in it and disregard factual information. This doesn't mean that Ti users tend to put things in a pre-existent framework. It is not a fixed framework that is important, but the consistency between a framework that is produced real-time and the given information. So precision is just a byproduct for the elimination of false frameworks that can be confused with the right one. If a framework makes sense then it can become more real than external information.
    Anyways, in Schellings writings his Ti is driven by something alien to itself. His passages are often quite tortured, not because Ti produces tortured sentences; his Ti is carving something consistent out of a mess.
    It doesn't require someone to be Ti-dom to exhibit strong Ti traits. And actually INTP, being Ti-dom, tend not to exhibit it. If you see someone who is quite argumentative in public (i.e. when he is not really comfortable) it is highly possible that he is NOT a Ti-dom. A Ti-dom tends to simply ignore others since he is so sure of himself, and that is also the reason why when a Ti-dom argue for his point he gives absolutely concise answer and doesn't explain much.

     No.212

    >>207
    >Ti do not tend to make anythings "deep", it makes things precise and "systematic"
    That's quite strange for me actually, since making things precise and systematic is something a "deep" thing for me, good examples are Schelling's "Ages of the world", for me which is not "insightful lectures" like that for you but has a very thought-provoking precision which looks like "deep" for me. And also Xenakis' book, Spinoza's philosophical modeling-like system description of his Ethics book. Or, Deleuze's Nitezsche book.
    So I guess what you referred to as "deep" is always linked to Ni which is a completely unfamiliar thing to my nature. I suspect that I have never touched the "depth" of Novalis (according to your ealry judgement of "deep" for him), because his philosophical fragments under the influence of natural sciences, chemistry etc. are finally manifested as a poetic pinnacle, so he is like an avant-garde compared to his contemporaries, e.g. Hoelderlin.
    >perennial mystics
    I currently find that Chardin's books are full of things that I can't "understand" (again by my nature). This also caused me to unconsciously divide him into that "perennial school", but apart from this, his archaeological experience makes me feel more convinced of his judgments. But I can't totally believe it at all at the moment since I can't see any reasoning from perennial mystics' works. I often feel like this: every sentence of each of their books is trying to convey one single thing, and they have not made a convincing explanation. They just don't want to do reasoning like philosophers.
    How to understand Chardin by the way? Do I need more "physics" trainings to understand Chardin? I don't know. Compared to him, Lubac is a totally poetic philosopher and I definitely like his honesty, I read his Atheist drama book.

     No.213

    >>212
    >Ti
    Strange. None of the philosophers that you mentioned seem very precise to me, including Spinoza. They are "logical" but it is not their focus. They are just not who those dumb art students etc think. When it comes to precision and systematicity what comes up in my mind are Whitehead, Dummett, etc., and maybe sometimes Kant (Kant is good at classification but he's not really precise and there are actually many flaws in his writings). In particular Dummett is extremely precise and there's a certain depth that is more Ti-oriented in his writings, but yeah it's a different form of depth.

    >Teilhard
    I'm not really sure. There are various ways of reading his works and various ways of understanding. It will help if you know, say, QM and the debates around measurements, and its relation with global semantic anti-realism, but that's too much and maybe a stretch from the first sight of it. Studying about evolutionary thought, its emergence, the philosophy/metaphysics that's behind it, and think about questions like "what is life" may also help… The related fields are very familiar to me so I have some difficulties comprehending what other people know or don't know about a certain subject, so it's hard for me to give a "list" or anything similar.
    But first of all he's NOT really a philosopher, and his writings are more indicative of something rather than descriptive of something. For me myself, I think I won't recommend Teilhard to the earlier me; the best way to read Teilhard is to be led to him by certain questions that you yourself have regarding contemporary theolgy and the related fields.
    But one thing is for sure. He's not for the "un-trained" and requires quite some understandings of history of thoughts (philosophy, science, etc) to get a hold on.


     No.205[Reply]

    They said that every time they use chatGPT, they will never forget to say 'thank you' in the last, because they really fear that AI will retaliate against humans after mastering the world and thus pose a threat to themselves.
    I can feel that they are even complacent about their fears and this behavior of “doing good” for human beings.

    I accidentally saw this while was checking my old friend's sns account.

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     No.204[Reply]

    Anyone has one more ticket for Mayhem live in Shanghai Vas 2025.1.19? I can give 10~15% more for the price.
    Although it seems really really impossible to get a ticket here, I still want to give it a try…

     No.200[Reply]

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